JavaRanch discussion regarding job reservation in private sector

Java Ranch post on Reservations--



First of all, this is not the right forum to discuss an issue which is pertinent to a particular country. This is a international forum and this debate does not fit in here.

But since this debate has been started, I am tempted to put in my views. But before that I would like to clarify that neither I support reservation nor do I belong to a reserved category.

I know India is a great country, which has an unimaginably old and living civilzation. It's really confusing, how can a nation of great thinkers, philosophers, sages can linger on with outdated systems like caste system, which is one of the worst form of human rights violation.

How can people of a nation which swears by "non-violence" be so inhuman to their own brethren?
I know with time things have changed and casts discrimination is not as blunt as it used to be few decades back, but still a lot needs to be done.
This caste thing, which has continued for centuries had penetrated our psyche, and now it has become part of our identity.

Tell me honestly, how many of these who oppose reservation would marry out of their caste?

castesim was one of the reason India was ruled by outsiders for centuries. The upper casts like the kshyatriyas and their Brahmin advisors were so meritorious that they failed to understand the perils of caste system and failed to understand that by stopping more than 75% of your population from entering your armed forces you are weakening yourself.


castesim is the reason why a big section of Indian society is lagging behind today.

If you deprive a section of the population for centuries, you spoil their genes.

This is a collective crime committed, and the price has to be paid collectively. we inherit the wealth of our ancestors, similarly we inherit the sin of our ancestors.

someone has rightly pointed out, earlier or even today many jobs are reserved for the Brahmins. no one seems to oppose that, neither in the past nor at present. why?

perhaps many people are not aware, for centuries schedule caste people were not allowed to get education and were forced to do menial jobs.
Mahatma Gandhi rightly identified this as the greatest danger to Hindu society and tried to eradicate it, but it's difficult to change something which is there for centuries.


What pains me is the fact that, these people who so passionately oppose reservation are simply passive about the curse that is "caste system".
What are we doing to correct things at a personal level?

can the Brahmins stop taking pride for their caste?
can the kshatriyas stop flaunting their high caste status?

I still see educated Brahmins so enthusiastically clinging on to their sense of superiority, only because they are born in a Brahmin family ..... they will do the thread ceremony of their children so pompously ... what does that mean? on one hand you take pride for your birth in a particular castes and on the other hand you deny the existence of caste discrimination?

I would urge all Brahmins not to do the thread ceremony of their children and stop wearing threads and encourage their off-springs to marry non-Brahmins.
This would help to dilute the caste structure and gradually it will be dissolved. But if you are not prepared to do such things, caste system will live on and so will reservation.

Even I would suggest we should stop adding surnames to the names of our children, because surname in India is used to identify the caste. We should drop all symbolisms associated with caste…may be that way we will lose some superficial aspects of our culture, but we will help build a stronger society. We should make our children aware of the perils of caste system.

If a so called Brahmin says, "we did not create this system. why should we suffer” the answer is, you might not have created it, but you/your fore-fathers are certainly responsible for it's continuation, and the same way, as we inherit the wealth of our ancestors, similarly we inherit the sin of our ancestors.

And the price has to be paid, and if India as a whole suffers because of this, so be it ....

And if someone says "it's time to immigrate...it's time to leave India" ... simply stop this rubbish... everyone knows people are just salivating to go abroad at the slightest opportunity.... So much for the so called patriotism ...

Please take it positively, as my intention is not to spread bitterness. There are already a lot of bitterness in the world and we should work together to change it.

-Jai Hind



sorry Mark for the transgression. I see many intelligent people in this forum so thought to tickle their brain for a social cause.

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- The four Vedas were not written by Brahmins.
-Vyasa, the author of Mahabharat was not a Brahmin
- Valmiki, the author of Ramayana was not a Brahmin.
- Sri Krishna, the proponent of the Gita was not a Brahmin.
- Swami Vivekananda was not a Brahmin.
- Sri Aurobindo was not a Brahmin.
- Mahatma Gandhi was not a Brahmin.
- Sri Ram was not a Brahmin.
- Goutam Buddha was not a Brahmin.
- Mahavir Jain was not a Brahmin.
- Guru Nanak Dev was not a Brahmin
- the list can go on and on and on ….


I know Brahmins will show me the names of

- Panini, the Great grammarian
- Manu, the author of Manu Smriti
- Kautilya, the Author of Arthashastra
- Jawaharlal Nehru
- Aryabhatta,
- Banabhatta
- Shankaracharya
- Ramanuja
- Chaitanya
- And many more

But as we can see from the earlier list Greatness is not limited to any particular caste.


Brahman, in literal terms means ‘someone who has realized his true self’. But if anyone who is born in a particular caste calls himself a ‘Brahman’, he is actually taking up a title without proving his merit. This has been happening since ages in India, so these people do not have the moral right to talk about ‘merit’.